Investigation of The American Border Collie Association

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*****All of those folks hurt by the ABCA have registered their dogs and pups elsewhere*****

If you are registering with the ABCA, you need to check your pedigrees very carefully when you receive them. They are often filled with mistakes!!!

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Were you expelled???
Below are some examples of expulsion.

Adam and Eve were expelled from paradise.
Three-Year-Old Was Expelled for Spelling 'GOD'.
When Ryan was diagnosed with HIV, the Kokomo, Indiana school board expelled him from school because they felt he was a health risk to other students.
A college student was expelled Thursday by his university for writing he is gay on his MySpace.com profile .
Bushmen were expelled from Homeland.
Atheist student was expelled for questioning classmate's belief ...I think it's just because they were discussing this girls "religion" in school and that's not allowed...but seriously, EXPELLED?
Teen Was Expelled From School For Turning In Found GunA 13-year-old Plainfield boy, and his parents are stunned and outraged after the teen found a gun in school and turned it in to authorities.
Members of the ABCA were expelled without a reason.

How far will the ABCA go on its rampage? Click here to find out!!

This is one of the pages of the American Border Collie Association's Newsletter commending themselves on the spreading of libelous rumours they are mailing out about people. Feel free to download it.

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Read what a LOT of MEMBERS and people are saying about the WITCH HUNT that the ABCA is on.

We just discovered that the American Border Collie Association issued more papers than the 4 males and 4 females of one of our blue litters. Six males and 5 females were registered by the ABCA. Be sure to check to see if the right number of pedigrees were issued on your litters.

When Eileen Stein contacted us, she said that it was questionable that I had a sister. Well, Eileen, I have two sisters, and here the three of us are:

Susan, Mary Ann, and Linda

This picture is especially for you, Eileen.

When people call the ABCA, you would be surprised at the unprofessionalism of the people who answer the phone. They talk about members to people that they don't even know. Those people e-mail or call us about what has been said. IT IS AMAZING. The latest is that the people that answer the phone don't work for the ABCA, but they work for Patty Rogers so they can say anything that they want about anyone. This is for you, Leona.

Click here to read the by laws of the ABCA. Quite a few people do not even have access to a computer, and they are not informed of all of the changes being made.

Facts About the ABCA

Did you know that one ABCA Board of Director is also president of the USBCHA and moderator of the Border Collie Boards?

Did you know that the Border Collie Boards is quite often a place to bash breeders?

Welcome to the BC Boards. We hope you will find the answers to any questions you may have here, as well as an opportunity to get to know and exchange views with other border collie owners. These Boards are a part of the website All About Border Collies, maintained by the United States Border Collie Club, Inc. (USBCC).

You might want to read a bit to get the flavor of the Boards before posting. While all views are welcome, the overall philosophy which prevails on the Boards is in line with that of the USBCC. Basically, it can be summed up as follows:

We who love and value border collies are concerned about both the welfare of individual dogs, and the welfare of the breed as a whole.
For the good of the breed, border collies should be bred only for working ability. The border collie breed was created by farmers and shepherds who wanted to develop a dog which could help them manage their livestock. They bred only to produce good workers, and that singleness of purpose created the breed we love. Changing the way border collies are bred will change the breed itself. Therefore, breeding dogs who have not proven themselves as useful herding dogs, or breeding for appearance/color, or breeding for sports or for "good pets," or breeding for anything other than working ability (which includes the health and temperament necessary for working) is harmful to the breed.
Border collie owners who don't use their dogs to work livestock are not second-class citizens.

Because border collies have been bred for a very demanding job, they have the physical, mental and emotional traits to be good at almost anything a dog can do. They generally don't make good pets for people who have little interest in a dog and little time to spend with it. But for people who are prepared to devote a lot of time and attention to their dog(s), border collies can be excellent companions, and excellent partners for a variety of activities, both formal and informal. If you love your border collie, and give him/her a good home, you are doing right by your dog. Just leave the breeding to those who do train and work their dogs on livestock, and who have the knowledge to breed to the working standard.
Border collies should not be registered with the AKC. The AKC recognized the border collie in 1994, over the protests of the vast majority of border collie owners and organizations in the US. (For more details about the AKC takeover, read this ). But the AKC defines breeds by their appearance, and encourages and rewards breeding for appearance. This is okay for some breeds, but is detrimental to a breed like the border collie, which has always been defined and shaped by its work. Because the AKC is so influential in the dog world, our only hope to preserve the integrity of the border collie--to keep it a useful working dog, in contrast to the many AKC breeds which were once useful working dogs but are no longer--is to keep it separate and apart from the AKC.

Response: The poster of this message is a member of the parent club of the AKC. Quite a few of these members are AKC breeders and members.

The best place to get a border collie for livestock work is from a reputable breeder of working dogs--not someone who merely breeds "from working lines," but someone who trains and uses his/her dogs on stock, and is breeding to produce the utmost in herding ability.

Response: Is this wise when you will only be getting a pup from people who know nothing about breeding but only working their dogs?

The best place to get a border collie for companionship or for dog sports is from the same kind of breeder, or (preferably, in most cases) from border collie rescue. Buying a pup from breeders who register with the AKC is bad for the breed. So is buying a pup from a pet shop, or from a breeder you know only through an internet website, and in such cases you run the risk of supporting a puppy mill and getting an unhealthy, temperamentally-unsound pup besides.
We take border collies seriously. We try to take good care of our own dogs, learning and sharing knowledge about their health, feeding, training, work and general welfare. And we do our best to look out for the interests of the breed as a whole, by supporting the measures that will keep them the world?s premier herding dog.

We're glad to have you with us. Feel free to ask any questions you may have, and to share your experiences with your dogs. Advertising puppies or dogs for sale is not allowed, and while we are comfortable with robust debate, courtesy is expected at all times and flaming is not permitted.

Response: It is permitted, and it is a daily ritual on these boards.

We look forward to hearing from you.

Did you know that Patty Rogers makes $3.75 out of every $8.00 Registration Fee?

Did you know that the American Border Collie Association is actually a trust which operates much like a homeowner's association? They are able to change the rules at will. Also, they are subject to Anti Trust laws.

Did you know that at least one ABCA Board of Director is a member os the BCSA, the AKC parent club?

Did you know that one ABCA Board of Director sent out pictures from a kennel investigation? Did you know that violates the Privacy Act of 1074 and the Fourth Amendment?

Did you know that the ABCA investigators want to know where dogs are when in fact they have never required any member to keep records?

Did you know that the closing of the AIBC was discussed on the Border Collie Boards, and the moderator said it just faded away when, in fact, all ot the records of the AIBC were damaged in a huge hurricane?

Did you know that the ABC was founded by Peg Brown because people were dissatisfied with the AIBC? This was not many years ago.

Did you know that in America you have a right to free enterprise and that there are no laws prohibiting suspended members from the ABCA from selling ABCA dogs?

Did you know that if an organization is collecting data about you that you have a right to see it according to the Privacy Act of 1974?

Did you know that in America, you have right to know what you are being accused of, and if you do not know that you do not have to cooperate?

Did you know that the American Border Collie Association actually has another location in Delaware? This is a state that corporations love to be based in because their laws for corporations are so lax.

Did you know that when we contacted Patty Rogers to see who owned one of our dogs that she said she was just too busy to locate that information??

The American Border Collie Association posted the results of previous elections of the Directors. They did not give out that information this time, and quite a few members are wondering why.

The Australian Shepherd Registry did the exact same kind of investigations right before the AKC closed their books on the Australian Shepherds. Now, it cost $150 to register a dog with the National Stockdog Registry. This is because they lost their larger breeders to the investigations, and numerous others flocked to the AKC.

Did you know that two dogs ran in the nationals that were from the same female? Their birthdates were two months apart. How can this be?

Did you know that a man who had purchased a female dog and had not transferred her into his name BEFORE she had puppies was recently told by Patty Rogers to just backdate the transfer?

Did you know that the ABCA is advising non members who have not received their papers to return the dogs to breeders for their money back? In one particular case the breeder sold the pups as pets and required hip and eye certifications before papers were to be issued.

Did you know that one USBCHA director was aware of forgery and supplying fake papers on a Border Collie by one of her rescue contacts?

Has your privacy been endangered by the ABCA? A somewhat distinct problem associated with consumer privacy has to do with the physical security of the consumer. A person who has made enemies may find himself being stalked or threatened; family members, coworkers and neighbors of the person could become involved as innocent bystanders.

Read what the American Bar Association writes about privacy violations. There are legal protections against invading privacy in various ways such as an intrusion by wrongfully using eavesdropping devices,publicizing private matters, publicizing in a false light, or appropriating a person's name or likeness for commercial purposes.

The definition of Free Enterprise is defined below.

Business governed by the laws of supply and demand, not restrained by government interference, regulation or subsidy. also called free market.

Click on the picture to see if your ability to compete in America's Free Enterprise System has been compromised by the ABCA.

What is Slander?

Slander is a spoken defamation. Defamation or "defamation of character," is spoken or written words that falsely and negatively reflect on a living person's reputation.

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